~ X ~ писал:
КРУТИТЬ КОЛЕСОМ

XaeroX писал:
Раньше это поощрялось. Геймдев был почти как наука. По результатам разработки дум3 куча статей была опубликована - доклады на сигграфе, статьи в книгах. А что сейчас? Сейчас поощряется только умение писать код быстро, чтобы как можно быстрее продать и навариться.

Skaarj писал:
Кнопками же проще!

Crystallize писал:
Так Дум3 был мертворождённой игрой.

Crystallize писал:
Я не знаю что там нового могли излагать на Сиграфе, учитывая что, скажем, принцип отложенного освещения из УЕ3 был опубликован ещё в 1980-х

Crystallize писал:
не должен был найти в Дум3 что-то действительно новое

~ X ~ писал:
да ты больной!

~ X ~ писал:
А во многих современных играх есть чейнджлевелы с сохранением и переносом всего-всего? Я что-то не припомню.

~ X ~ писал:
А - я сейчас тебя удивлю - в гейдеве всё, что не сделано энтузиастами (в честь нас Шоссе названо, да ), сделано согласно плану, заказу (надеюсь, ясно, о чём я)

XaeroX писал:
Но id всегда заявляла, что они не ставят целью делать лицензируемый движок.

XaeroX писал:
Без понятия, я читаю об этом в Игромании с 2002 года, когда появились первые статьи о дум3. Лично с Кармаком я пока не беседовал, если ты об этом. Всё как-то не было шанса пересечься.

Crystallize писал:
Так Дум3 был мертворождённой игрой.

~ X ~ писал:
А с т.з. графики в думе3 меня сильно обрадовало, что он шёл на гфорсе2 32МБ без тормозов. А вот онлайн-компиляция НЕ радовала. Но может, она там для фиговых видях генерила меньшие лайтмапы? Тогда было бы круто - под каждую конфигурацию - свои карты...

~ X ~ писал:
А во многих современных играх есть чейнджлевелы с сохранением и переносом всего-всего? Я что-то не припомню.

~ X ~ писал:
Кстати, почему метро2033 никто не вспомнил?

thambs писал:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Rampage люто бешенно доставляет. выжали build на 146%.

Когда я играл в Крузис недавно, то он показался мне унылым и безатмосферным.

должна была вернуть интерес к ПК и доказать, что он остаётся прибыльной платформой

Если что, рекомендую почитать вот этот блог:

This is the real reason that most people feel disillusioned with video games today. It’s this unnatural mutation of Computer games being the dominant force of entertainment… on a medium that was originally for translating Arcade games to the living room. And the mindset behind the developers is that this is a “good” thing even though companies are losing more money and sales than ever before. When the Online FPS market bubble collapses, I fear that will be it for video games. Because in our minds, that’s the only real genre that matters. AAA Computer Adventure games won’t have it so good, and neither will RPGs not named Pokemon.This is not a “PC gaming sucks” mantra. However, it would be naive to think Computer games have “helped” the industry in anyway. It gave more production values, but it has harmed gamer’s abilities to know what gaming is or even how to define genres.

People now believe games are glorified war shooters or interactive movies. Online gaming (a staple of Computer gaming) gave way to bigger stereotypes of gamers due to their own behaviors over xbox live, which has sadly skewered the public’s views of all gamers in general, preventing more people from getting into video games based on those stereotypes (until Wii Sports). People get bored quickly with video games as they focus more on heavy doses of cutscenes, making the players feel as though they are simply the audience to someone else’s “vision”. Developers have abused DLC for monetary purposes rather than to improve the actual product to the point that people are starting to boycott video games. Few people even take interest in Zelda games because they’ve turned into glorified, actionless Adventure games.


People become bored of games quickly as everyone is used to beating the game and putting it away in a trunk, because many Computer games were designed for one playthrough, and then you’re done with it. That has REALLY gotten out of hand. None of the games have any real replayability. All of these elements were derived from Computer Gaming. And it’s truly the main culprit killing the industry. In short, personal gaming on a social gaming device is exclusionary gaming. And the rapidly increasing disinterest in video games is attributed to the Computer Game Style being used for the majority of video games today. Of course, the developers are so busy hi-fiving each other on their pretentious ass “video games are art” awards and screwing over the used games market to give a fuck about where gaming is going. As far as they’re concerned, they wouldn’t have it any other way.

Computer Centric Zelda with a bigger focus on puzzle solving. Eww, bug catching. Very slow paced.
And this game won massive awards and adoration from the industry. Why is that? Because the industry is ran by lovers of Computer games. Skyward Sword looks, feels, and plays like a Computer adventure game, and makes “creative” (read: Non-convenient) usage of the Motion plus for puzzle solving. Okami also won awards despite being a flop.

When people say “Casual gaming”, they really mean “Arcade gaming”. Hardcore gaming is really “Computer gaming”. The marketing ploy is to get as many gamers to hate “Arcade gaming” as possible so that they would go for the big budget Computer games known as “AAA” games and sell them based on a “rite of passage” based mentality. “These games are meant for the big boys (Computer gamers) unlike those kiddies with their Wii’s (Arcade gamers)”. We’ve all been bamboozled. We’re being told that the sanctity of gaming lies on the PC style falsely marketed as “originality and gameplay.” Originality = Creativity, which only has a home on the PC. Through FPS’s, people are easily fooled into believing that Computer gaming is Arcade gaming, mainly because it’s the only Computer genre that doesn’t run at a snail’s pace.

This is what “hardcore gaming” really is. The mislabeling of the Computer game style as “true games”. The mislabeling of Arcade gaming became mini-game collections and shovelware that would get shoved onto the Wii. Somehow, NSMBW, Rail-Shooters, etc. would all get lumped together with that nonsense. It would explain why everyone seems to hate NSMBW and even Sonic Colors to an extent. “It’s the accesibility?”. Accesibility has been a staple of Arcade gaming (sans fighting games and Virtual-On) since the beginning of time. Why is it a problem now?

Because gaming must be exclusionary. Computer gaming has always been exclusionary to some extent. Only a few people could “appreciate it”. As long as gaming remains this way, the “wrong audience” can be kept out. The wrong audience being the mass market. The “dreaded casuals” as they say. For a time, fighting games served this purpose, but “oh that damned Tekken, Smash Bros. and Soul Calibur wit all them dumbed down mechanics!” This is the mindset of the Computer gamer. They’ve been used to having games to themselves. That mentality has creeped into console gaming now since all the “best games” are single player Adventure/RPGs with the exception of COD.

Why must the mass market be excluded? So that Computer game developers can make “creative” computer games without the fear of being judged harshly based on things like “fun factor.” They’d rather be judged on the art. When people say they want “original gameplay ideas”, they’re really saying “I want more Computer adventure games with nifty puzzles” or “Adventure games with gimmicky combat that shows off the art.” Games are being designed for the isolated gaming public. Many gamers today are introverted and slightly anti-social people. Online components benefit them more so than they would sociable people. Computer games take full advantage of online components. Everyone screams “WHERE’S THE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER!?” It’s not enough if a game is good. If it has no online, it’s an instant turn-off. It’s been driven home that online multiplayer is “real” multiplayer. Local is hardly desired anymore.

А потом они потихоньку исчезли, и сейчас

дум3 я прошёл три раза, а хл2

qishmish писал:
Ну а я хл2 проходил раз семь, а дум 3 бросил от уныния на офисах. Хотя сейчас хочется дать ему второй шанс